A Thousand and Six Hundred Furlongs
Introduction
According to the book of Revelation, the following will occur at a future time:
| Revelation 14:17-20 |
| 17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. |
Here we read a very cryptic passage about a very bloody ending for God’s children. We know that this passage concerns God’s children, because it is talking about the gathering of fruits, so why does the Angel toss the fruit into a proverbial winepress?
Because it is symbolism for how God’s children will die. We know that they will be rounded up and murdered because in verse 19 it speaks about the gathering and the sacrifice.
What is most interesting about this passage is that by stating, “by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs” it provides to us the necessary information needed to calculate two things: 1) How much blood is needed to span across a distance of ~200 miles and 2) How many people would it require to produce approximately that much blood.
Therefore, in the end, when tribulations are upon us, we are able to calculate an approximate number of those martyred in the name of our Lord, Jesus Christ! However, what we discover is a value significantly lower than we had originally imagined, which is sad.
A Thousand and Six Hundred Furlongs
In case you are curious, 1600 furlongs is approximately 200 miles. Knowing this information allows us to calculate the approximate total gallons of blood needed to cover a distance of ~200 miles. We must approximate two more important factors: 1) The width of the trail and 2) the average depth of the trail, which is why our answer is only an estimate.
The average healthy person contains approximately 9 pints of blood which is the same as 1 gallon plus 2 cups, or simply 18 cups. When a person loses approximately 1/3 or 33% of their total blood volume, then they are considered to be in critical condition, thus highly suspected to die within a few minutes because of their inability to maintain circulation.
You will see where all of this information comes into play in the following section.
Solving the Problem
How many gallons of blood would it take to cover a distance of 200 miles long, by 5 feet wide, with an average depth of 2 centimeters?
Let,
L = 200*5280 feet (200 miles long)
W = 5 feet (wide)
A = 0.0656168 foot (2 centimeters deep)
Thus,
L*W*A*7.5 = 2598425.28 (2, 598, 425) gallons of blood
How many people would it take to supply 2, 598, 425 gallons of blood?
Let,
a = 2598425 gallons of blood
b = 0.37 gallon (5.92 cups)
Thus,
a/b = 7022770.27 (7, 022, 770) people
Conclusion
We expected more, but according to these results, when the world is faced with the realities of Revelation 14:17-20, during this dark time approximately 7, 022, 770 of God’s children from all around the world will be mass arrested, detained, and murdered.
What we learn is that like Jesus Christ suffered and conquered death, we too must suffer and conquer death and this is made possible through His blood and by the grace of God whose son died and was risen so that we could live free forever in His eternal glory.
Whatever the exact number is, we hope to be included.
DIVINECODERS
Check out a more comprehensive look at tribulations: A Time To Endure (2022 version)
DIVINECODERS 
Very interesting but what about the Rapture or do you not believe in it.
Hi Bonnie,
It depends on what you mean by “Rapture”. Rapture in the sense that a select group of Christians will bypass persecution is false and dangerous to ones faith. For, it is likely that if you believe that you will bypass persecution and in fact do not, you may think you have been left behind or that God does not love you, when the opposite is true. God does love you and He has not left you behind.
If you mean after you die, when Christ returns, and He will return at the end of tribulations, that your soul will be raised up and meet Him in the clouds, then yes, that is true, but only for those who endure faithfully.
Thanks!
DIVINECODERS
The depth of the blood us not in centimeters. The depth is up to a horses bridal.
This was very informative 👏
Your observation about the wine press is incorrect! Those who are NOT with God will be trodden down without the city. That city is the new Jerusalem. Why would God kill those who are with Him? The grapes are indeed the wild grapes who was planted in His vineyard. Isaiah 63 also gives u a clear example of who will be trodden under foot.
Hi Billi,
You’ve made a good point and it appears logical; however, how do you explain the pouring out of Wrath? If the enemies of God are already removed from the earth then who is here to receive it?
DIVINECODERS
That’s the thing they’re not removed yet. The plagues haven’t been poured out just yet. Remember the book is not in chronological order so the events are out of place. His wrath being poured out is out of the 7 vials the seven angels have. Which is on Rev.15 explains in more detail what the wrath of God is in chap 14. It’s just like in Genesis 1 when God gives u a precursor of what He’s gonna do and then in chapt 2 He expounds on the history of creation.
Hi Billi,
Thanks for your response, although the purpose of this article was never really about the numbers but more about dispelling the myth of rapture; nevertheless, it is our intention to be as accurate as possible and where there are mistakes, and there have been a few over the years, then we are obligated to correct them and will make the appropriate changes where necessary.
Having said that, we must consider this. The first reaping was done without a gathering, then the second was done with a gathering and the harvest was cast into the winepress of the Wrath of God. Then, if we look at Rev 15:1, it states:
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
The vials or bowls are filled with the “wrath of God” and these are poured out on to the unbelievers. So you have the winepress of the Wrath of God where the blood (wine) is produced and then the vials (bowls) that are filled with the wrath of God. This indicates that the blood that is poured out comes from the saints because you cannot logically pour out the blood of unbelievers upon unbelievers. However, we will admit that we could still be wrong, so it’s a great opportunity for a discussion.
Thanks,
DIVINECODERS
1. shouldn’t the winepress of the anger of GOD come from isaiah 63:1-6 where HIS white robe is stained with the blood of HIS enemies after HE troddens them?
2. why mix metric with standard? 2 cm is equal to 7/10 of an inch
Hi Richard,
Nice reference! That is what the comments are for, as we see them as an extended version of our articles where our readers help to question and expand upon, or sometimes refute what is written in the article. Your contributions are greatly welcomed and appreciated.
We have said this many times and will continue to say that these calculations are merely an estimate and our choosing of this metric or standard value is arbitrary although somewhat strategic because there is a limit to how deep or wide the trail of blood can be before we exceed what is possible. The point and what we feel is most important here is that the message is received which is that tribulations are something we as believers must endure and that clearly only a relative few will stand firm.
Of course, it is our hope that everyone will endure faithfully in the midst of persecution and receive salvation; however, the reality is that many will fall away from the faith when challenged, so it is our intention to not just make that fact abundantly clear, but more importantly, to prepare your minds to face that reality so when that time comes you will by the grace of God stand firm faithfully and be saved.
Endure,
DIVINECODERS
Question of the measurement.
Blood came out of the wine press.
A wine press truoght is approximately 3ft wide.
Then it goes on to say “ even unto the horse bridles” which I took as how deep it was, it rose from the ground up to the bridles of the horse neck. And flowed out 1600 furlongs.
I imagined this as 3 ft wide, approximately 5 ft deep and 200 miles long of blood. I don’t know this was just the image I had the first time I ever read this passage Rev:14 )17-20. Very interesting.
Hi Curtis,
It certainly is an interesting study.
What helps to understand this message is to use a little logic. So, we know there has to be a limit to how many people will die in the name of Christ, but does this include every Christian since the start of Christianity? It’s possible.
If not then there are about 2 billion Christians in the world today, but in the end, when it stops being easy to be Christian as it is in many parts of the world already, how many will endure persecution and not turn away from God?
On the contrary, how many nonbelievers will turn to God during this same timeframe which may possibly offset what is lost? Only God knows.
What we can say with confidence is that death is a certainty for all and that the number of people who will die in the name of Jesus may not be all but will at least be a diverse multitude of souls representing every tongue and nation.
As to the exact number of souls saved or lost, we cannot say.
DIVINECODERS
I totally agree and my prayers are for all to find and accept Christ. If we put a verification on the numbers then we discourage many that feel that won’t be included in such a limited number to just say what’s the use and silently fall victim to those very limitations. I myself will just continue to study his word and look for GOD himself to reveal his direct meaning that he has for me. Merry Christmas to all.
Thanks, Curtis. Merry Christmas!
DIVINECODERS
Well the Hand YaH is mighty and HIS Will Be Done!!
where did you factor in that the blood was deep enough to reach a horses bridle?
Hi Connie,
We have answered this a couple times below but in summary if the blood were that deep it would require close to a billion people to produce that much blood! Are there a billion Christian’s ready to lay down their life in the name of Christ in the world today? How many do you think will take the mark based on what we just saw happen? We hope every single person resists but the likelihood is very low, unfortunately.
What we should take away from this lesson is not the number of people or the amount of blood, these are just estimates; instead, ponder the hidden lesson, which is in the end multitudes will go through a trial by fire and be killed in the name of the lord, Jesus, the Christ. Do not rely upon the false promises of the false doctrine of rapture, this is a trap. Prepare your mind and body for the trials that await you.
Endure!
DIVINECODERS
I always believed that the blood to the horse’s bridal would be his enemies, not Christians.
Hi Moravetz,
Pre-tribulation rapture is an evil lie. No other teaching is more dangerous and cruel. Unlike the false church, we are not here to fill seats, we would rather you know the truth even if it means that you will reject the faith.
We prefer you know from the start that in the end all who follow Jesus must endure tribulations rather than for you to be persecuted and believe you have been left behind because you some how didn’t measure up.
Salvation is a gift to everyone who is faithful. Faith without works is dead, indeed. Faith is established by hearing the word of God. Once established, faith is perfected by doing.
Prepare your mind for tribulations.
Endure,
DIVINECODERS
dont you know a riddle when you see one, figure out what the winepress represents, the blooline reaches a generation. outside the great city, means NOT in Jerusalem.
The first mistake is that the passage is talking about an army massed against Christ, not saints. The antichrist’s army at armageddon is the group that is supplying the copious amounts of blood, later mentioned in full at Rev.18:14-16. In 14:20 it talks about those tread by God in the winepress of God’s wrath. We the saints do not get the wrath, we get the salvation. The best estimate of all of those who have been martyred, throughout history is far higher than 7 million. It’s likelier nearer 100 million. Nearly 50 million killed by Muslims, and another 50 by Marxists. Romans had only killed a few tens of thousands.
Hi Rikk,
You make quite a common mistake among contemporary Christians, you conflate wrath with tribulation when, in fact, they are two separate events.
Matthew 24:9
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
Notice the word “afflicted”, here we have Jesus himself confirming that we will indeed go through tribulation.
Matthew 24:29
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Not discounting the tribulations Christians have faced in the past, but here we see that we are indeed speaking about the end of days where we see yet another confirmation of tribulation in those days up to the last day.
Matthew 24:31
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Finally, we see another reference to the Great Harvest specifically directed toward the harvesting of a multitude of God’s children.
Revelation 7:9
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Which is spoken of again in the verse above.
Therefore, the blood poured out upon the wicked is not the blood of the wicked, it is the blood of saints which is harvested during the last days before Christ’s return.
DIVINECODERS
Furlogs is a length measurement. Hence Gr. Stadiums shoukd be interpreted as the square equivalent to greek (Olympic games) stadiums. We know precise measures of two of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panathenaic_Stadium#Reconstruction_by_Herodes_Atticus
The track was 669 feet (204 m) long and 110 feet (34 m) wide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_of_Domitian
Various modern sources estimate the arena length to have been approximately 200 – 250 metres, the height of its outer perimeter benches as 30 m (100 ft)
Estimate min 200m x 30m
heihjt — considering average horse is of the height if a man, the height of bridles will be abot 4/5 of that.:170*4/5 = 1.36 m
Average volume of the adult blood is 5 L
Hence number of people killed by the sharp sickle is=
“thousand and six hundred furlongs (stadiums) of blood / 5L = 1600 * 200 * 30 *1.36 / 5= 2611200 ~2.6112 M
Hence, Your estimate is close.
Based on the 7 days of Noah and the 10 virgins parable, I used to subscribe to my pet multi-rapture doctrine. The 7 days of Noah was supposed to correspond to Daniel’s last week of years. This is not totally accurate, because Noah’s model suggests there will be rapture throughout the last seven years. This however is not the case. After the Tribulation, we are ALL out of here. That is the last call until we return with Christ to rescue the Jews.
So will there be a pre-trib rapture?
I no longer think so, seeing that Noah’s model cannot be wholesale applied to the last 7 years without other considerations. Yes, it speaks about rapture but not any particular format of pre/post tribulation rapture. Therefore cannot be used to understand this aspect of the coming days.
Finally, the 10 virgins parable. This scripture follows Mt 24, which does not at all support pre-trib rapture. Pre-tirb rapture, partial or otherwise is, therefore, out of the window.
For all those holding onto the Pri-trib rapture hope, you are in for a shock when you witness with your own eyes, the Antichrist mount the stage in Jerusalem and you are still here. Meaning you have missed the flight, or there is not such thing as Pre-trib rapture.
Again, for those who will protest, Tribulation IS NOT WRATH OF GOD. Tribulation takes place in the 5th Seal ending in 6th Seal, with the rapture. 7th seal is an uneasy quiet, before the 7 trumpets judgement — THE WRATH OF GOD. It is not useful to confuse one for the other.
While I am on the subject, based on the Lord’s word’s in the parable of the Fig tree, I have reckoned that Christ will begin his rule on earth by 2030/1. I get this from the THIS GENERATION clue.
This means the AC must show his face by 2027/8. Not much time to go.
One good news, though, based on Daniel 12’s mysterious 1335/1290 days prophecy, we can resolve the length of the tribulation to be a mere 60 days, as the Lord also promised.
Indeed, James! This “shock” is precisely what motivates us to fight so vigorously against the false doctrine of pre-tribulation rapture. Do you agree that such a shock could cause a great falling away from the faith for many? For, to have suffered the world for so long in the name of Christ only to toss it all away right near the end because one now assumes that they did not measure up and were therefore “left behind” is not only cruel it is downright criminal!
Endure,
DIVINECODERS
I am a firm believer in the doctrine of election. Shocked or not, those set apart for salvation, by the grace of God, will re-calibrate their faith and face the fire. This will be true of majority of believers who are elects, yet live a lukewarm faith life.
As for those not marked for salvation, this would be a good time to fall away …
James R,
If pre-destination were true then the great commission would be pointless and the book of life sealed, thus requiring no edits. Let’s not foolishly judge who is worthy of salvation for none is worthy. Instead, work humbly and reach as many people as possible to plant the seeds of faith in the minds of both believer and non-believer to help cultivate a renewing of the mind in preparation for the coming of Christ.
DIVINECODERS
Just because I hold to the core biblical doctrine of Election, it does not mean I have taken to myself to judge who will or will not be saved. That’s silly.
Salvation belongs to the LORD. He saves whom he will. And cannot fail in what he has determined to do, i.e., save whom he chose. He destroyed Egypt for the sake Israel. Hardened the heart of Pharaoh.
All this means, salvation has nothing to do with the merit of any kind. Look at the Jews, do they look like they deserve to be saved? Not a few of the Jewish prophets cursed and prayed against their own people for their treachery. Elijah come to mind.
BUT in Rom 11 Paul makes it clear that ALL Israel will be saved. They are the perfect picture of Election. Because He chose them.
[Jhn 3:5, 7 KJV] 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. … 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
The definition of a saved person is that they are born again. Specifically born again of the Spirit of God as sons of God.
But look at this …
[Jhn 1:13 KJV] 13 (Sons of God) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Sons of God are born by the will of God alone …
Man won’t and cannot have a part in it, except to receive grace.
The good earth is made good by Christ, of whom we all have received, grace for grace.
Evangelism is a 2 edged sword. The word we share if accepted becomes a blessing, but if rejected it becomes a condemnation …
[Jhn 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
We share the gospel not because we can save anyone, but we are told to sow, and God will condemn or send another to reap the harvest to the counsel of his own will. He does not need the counsel or permission of anyone. And cannot fail. That is ELECTION.
[Jhn 4:35 KJV] 35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and [then] cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.
The Samaritans were outcasts in Israel, but we know that the Lord sought them out, and they have been made ready to receive him. He even stayed with them. Can we say this of the world today? Nope, they have heard and rejected … except in diminishing numbers.
Who can separate us from the love of God?
… neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Its all election.
How can you reckon that “ALL Israel” will be saved when Revelation tells us that only 144,000 are saved? Or, for what purpose is the book of life that can be edited if we have salvation and cannot lose it? You must learn to rightly divide scripture.
You understand that to take the mark we lose salvation yet you teach predestination? This is a contradiction.
Election, as you reckon it to be is simply the false doctrine of predestination in disguise which is yet another false and evil doctrine meant to discourage specifically believers.
Predestination is a snare set by those who are themselves destined for judgement. It is false and dangerous and should not be taught.
We say, love others as you love yourself and above all love God! Endure faithfully until the end and YOU will be saved!
DIVINECODERS
I let Paul speak for himself …
[Rom 11:26 KJV] 26 And so ALL ISRAEL shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
There is no violation of context. At beginning of the same chapter, Paul starts by alluding to only a remnant of Jews chosen to salvation. He does so by answering his own question — Hath God cast away his people? and using the Elijah/Baal priest story. Sounds like bad news for the Jews …
But come to v25-26, the cloud shifts, he lifts the curtain on the full revelation. Initially only a remnant are saved — the early Jewish believers, apostles — but at the and of the age, when the fullness of the Gentiles be come in, Christ will redeem them all at his coming in the 7th trumpet. They will see him and mourn as for their first born Zech 12.10.
He did not chose them in vain. And we are attached to them. How can they not be saved?
The whole Jewish nation was given salvation as a single corporate entity including every legitimate member. The only prerequisite is that they are born of the blood of Jacob, children of Jacob, and circumcised, which happens on the 8th day.
Yes, they tend to stray, and are rebellious, but that is because they are only adopted, NOT born again.
Nicodemus was not born again, JTB was not either. Yet they have secure salvation.
144,000 are special Jews, Jewish Christians. But That does not mean the rest of the nation is lost.
At the appearing of the AC, Israel goes into safe hiding for 3.5 years, until the 7 trumpets judgement is over …
[Rev 12:6 KJV] 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.
The 144,000, however, have special protection, therefore, together with the 2 witnesses, remain in the open to taunt the AC and the devil.
The book of life is a simple register. Does not prove or disprove Election. Everyone who confesses Christ is justified, and gets his name in it. But was he born again? This is presumed. I deny it. Some are, others are not. It is in the hands of God. If you are born again of the Spirit of God, you have everlasting life, how can you be lost? Can the Good Shepherd fail? That which is born of God overcomes 1Jn. Can your name be blot? David committed such a hideous double crime and suffered for it, but was he lost. Never. He was not born again, but he sure was an elect, as all Israel. Yet you are better than him.
Anyone can confess, but God decides whom he will regenerate.
[Col 2:12 KJV] 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
James R,
You cannot simply glaze over contradictions in logic in favor of your own personal biases. To do so is inherently dishonest. The book of life is more than a simple “register”, it is a book representing those souls that will receive the gift of salvation. Notice that names can and will likely be blotted out, this suggests two things:
1. Salvation is a gift offered to all but can be lost.
2. Predestination is false as ones final destination is not a certainty.
It is obvious that you put a lot of time into thinking about this particular matter but what is more interesting is the question, why?
DIVINECODERS
Glazed over? yes, indeed you have done that with all the scriptures I have cited, and imagine the Book of Life blotting as the lone evidence against Election doctrine. But you cannot prove of disprove Election from this Scripture, in isolation from the body of scriptural evidence I provided.
Scripture is full of such traps …
[Rom 9:10-13 KJV] 10 And not only [this]; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, [even] by our father Isaac; 11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated. This happened even before they were born.
[Jhn 1:13 KJV] 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Learn what this means … Sons of God are born by the WILL OF GOD, not man. Because salvation belongs to the Lord.
He shows mercy to who he WILL show mercy.
If God had meant for ALL humanity to be saved, he could have simply not require faith as a criteria. But he does, and you know that faith cannot be manufactured.
For by GRACE are we saved through faith, so he makes an insurmountable roadblock to the fallen race.
I did not go looking for election doctrine in the scriptures, in fact was never taught it from pulpit. But my own study of the breath of the scriptures brought the truth to light. It has not take any joy away from my salvation, but strengthened my faith and produced thanksgiving.
But I am curious that you did not find it offensive when I zeroed in on 2030/1 as the deadline for Christ to ascend his throne on earth.
James R,
One only needs but one truth. Election is simply a choice made upon inspection, the parable of the wedding illustrates this concept well. But this is not what you are arguing, rather you are taking an elitist’s viewpoint and claiming that the Bible teaches elitism. False.
Regarding faith, one can have a mountain of faith but if he or she accepts the mark of and worships the beast, will their faith alone save them? No.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 tells about a falling away, this would indicate the faithful losing faith, would it not? Yes.
Much like we see now with the modern church and how quickly it was to obey the edicts of despots for fear of being fined or imprisoned. Therefore, they closed their doors and fell in line because all they had was a professed faith, so when it came time to prove it, they were exposed for the frauds they are.
And, soon this trial by fire will visit us all and it is our fear that apostasy such as pretribulation and predestination will accelerate the falling away as both falsely teach that those left behind to suffer tribulation are forsaken and destined for the lake of fire which is the second death, and what’s worse is that God had determined their fate before they were even born! False.
Friends, we are appointed for this time to be as witnesses to the second coming of Christ on earth! The Holy Bible tells us that these times will be filled with apostasy and diverse evils and indeed it is so. Do not be afraid or discouraged. The word of God tells us that as followers of Jesus Christ though we shall certainly be persecuted and killed for His sake as long as we maintain our faith and do so righteously we shall be saved!
Endure,
DIVINECODERS
I agree. Instead of looking for the snatching away. Christians need to prepare for the tribulations. Set their hearts and minds on Jesus. And prepare to be martyred. God’s will be done.
The key words are to be “ready” and to be “worthy”. If you will search for them in NT, you will be surprized that ALL of them are used in the context of the rapture, most precisely to be worthy for that.
The moment when the Lord will take us, believers with a vivid faith who live during His next coming, is still a mistery. It might be pre-trib and might be mid-trib. There are scriptures for this or that. But I would rather believe in pre-trib and better to be prepared for the witnessing of wrath but be raptured during pretrib rather than vice versa.
You say there is one rapture event. I also believe there is one moment when all the believers meet in the skies, but look at vereses that precied the one cited above:there are 2 different events of reaping. The first done by the son of man is NOT bloody:
Revelation 14:16
16 And he [son of man with sickle] that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
Well, the action of reaping by the Son of man is abviously finished. But the next one with a SHARP sicckle is not anymore performed by the Son of man, but by an angel and it is bloody. Still named to be a harvest because it’s reaped. Do you see?
Hi Danius,
Both sickles are sharp, in both events a harvest is reaped. The first event is obviously the removal of those who did not worship the beast and take his mark. These harvested are already dead for the most part as it happens the moment the sky darkens when around 75% of the earth has already perished in various ways. The second reaping is the torment of non-believers (Wrath of God).
We see this as two separate events following the other. First the removal of God’s Wheat (Done by Jesus) and then the burning of the Tares (Done by Angel), if you will. Christ does not return twice.
Both are quite horrible events filled with terrible things such as, famine, pestilence, war, natural disasters, and many kinds of sorrows. There may be some believers alive to act as witnesses of His return but we suspect it will be very few. Once all of God’s people have been taken from the earth those left behind are appointed for Wrath!
DIVINECODERS
We will be, it’s already planned……. And a lot of our brothers and sisters are already with the Lord. So you might go long before
If its 1600 furlongs that comes out to 200,000 miles. What am I missing, if you are saying its 200 miles.
Hi Dawn,
Please see: https://unitchefs.com/furlongs/miles/1600/
DIVINECODERS
I calculated it by A: 4 feet based on a chart I found on horse height.
The result 21 120 000.
But we know that a third of humanity is going, so that would mean 3 billion (Rev 9)
I do believe it is talking about the same thing.
Be blessed. I enjoyed this.
Hi Josefina,
We leave the interpretation to the reader, what is important is that we understand the message. In Daniel we get a ratio which is approximate. 100 times more people judged than saved. Which speaks towards the parable regarding the wide and narrow paths. An interesting and increasingly relevant study. See you in the air.
Thanks for reading,
DIVINECODERS
154cm approximately. I would love the re calculation.
Hi Josefina,
We hope you are right! Recalculating is easy, feel free to follow this formula:
(L*W*A*7.5)/.037=People
L = 200 Miles (Convert to Feet)
W = Width of Blood Trail
A = Depth of Blood Trail (multiply by 7.5 to convert to gallons)
Divide answer by .037 to convert to to people (1/3 blood loss equals dead)
Therefore, using 60 inches / 5 feet, we have:
(((200*5280)*5*(60/12))*7.5)/.037 = 535,135,135.13513513513513513513514 people
So make sure when substituting numbers in the (60/12) portion of the formula that the number on the left of the / (division) symbol is being expressed in inches.
Keep in mind, this is only an estimate. There is no way you will ever come up with a precise number.
DIVINECODERS
Was watching PBS program a while back about the Holocaust, saw images of dead bodies piled beside a horse in the photograph— bodies piled as high as the horse’s bridle. Your math calculation of Rev 14:20 estimates 7 million would need to be killed to shed 1600 furlongs of blood. Is there any possibility the Holocaust was described in the Bible? I realize 6 million Jews were killed could that possibly be 1600 furlongs? Is it possible the Holocaust was the time of Jacob’s (Israel’s) trouble? The image of the dead bodies next to the horse’s bridle on TV stuck in my mind so if anyone has scripture concerning any of this, please share. Thank you.
depends on what you think the ‘winepress of the Anger of God’ means & how it applies to Jesus’ return, in the vision. Does it not tell of a specific generation &the anger that has developed, in that time period,…
You need to consider the biblical wording a little closer, i.e.
1.) This reaping is not of the saved, The scripture says it’s for “the wrath of God.” and the wrath of God is for the Lost!
2.) The average height of a horses bridle is about 5 ft. That means that in place of 2cm depth the depth need to be multiplied by approximately 1,800 or (5ft divided by 2 cm) with 2.5 cm = 1 inch
3.) Thus putting into question the path width of 5 ft considering our current global population is approximately to 7.2 billion😁
Hi Bradely,
Revelation 14:10
Then, who shall drink the wine, the saved?
Revelation 16:2
Whose blood is in those vials, the unsaved? Being poured out upon the unsaved? No, it’s the blood of the saints which is gathered in Revelation 14:19 to be poured out upon those who take the mark of the beast.
As for the correction, making the depth 1 inch only adds an additional 1 million, changing the width would make the number impossible. Right now there are about 1 billion professing Christians on the earth. How many of them do you think are ready to die for Christ? Will you deny the mark, knowing it will mean that you cannot buy nor sell? You will lose your job and be unable to buy groceries, or work, bank, or go to the hospital. You will lose your home, your car, literally everything you own, because you will not be able to pay your mortgage/rent and pay property tax if you own your own home. Are you ready to give it all up for the sake of Jesus, Christ? How many Christians do you think are ready and willing?
And despite our desire that all 100% of all professing Christians will decide to resist the mark despite the consequences, we are not sure that 100% will be ready and willing when that time comes, but we are certain that 100% of professing Christians will be required to make that choice and only time will tell how many of those people will actually resist. Now is the time to start preparing yourself and those around you to make that decision.
DIVINECODERS
This is amazing! If you could read in context, you can plainly see that the text shows Christ engaged in the first of two reapings. The first taking place in Revelation 14: 14-16.
The second reaping had to do with the wrath of GOD and this does not include the ones Christ reaped. This reaping has to do with Judgment Revelation 14:18-20.
Isaiah 34:1-8
Isaiah 63:1-4
Job 3:13
Revelation 19:11-16
Jeremiah 51:33-37
Matthew 3:11-12
I could keep going.
If any true Christian, knows The Most High, they would know this article is not of GOD.
Hi Shamie,
Question for you. If what you say is true, then whose blood is gathered up and poured out during the time of wrath?
Thanks
DIVINECODERS
We need to be careful not to push people away….. 1 cor 13 WE ONLY Know in PART. Please let’s stay humble….. you can bet if you are Holy Spirit filled…. YOU ARE GOING!!!!
Revelation 2:10-11
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
DIVINECODERS
Yes and amen!!!!
Sorry guys but your maths is atrocious. A) you measured cubic feet not gallons,
B) you ignored the only measurement supplied by God of up to the bridles, ie. Between 3 and 4 feet. C) you assumed a 5 feet width ?….??? Where does this come from? And then even using your 5 feet wide adjusting for your assumption each person only lost 75%of blood as if God would do a lesser job… really he gave the blood for life I am pretty certain he would take back All the life not partial life. The volume of blood becomes more like 98,524,800 people at complete blood loss or 131,366,400 people at 75% blood loss per 5 foot wide area therefore assuming 10 foot , equally valid guess as yours , we get 262,732,800 dead. Etc. Etc. None of which gives anyone any true information as it is based entirely fictional assumptions.
Please be carefull you are looking like decievers of Gods truth. Stick to His word, neither Add nor Subtrack but study with prayer .I pray you find your way to His path and not be a stumbling block tickling the ear of those young in the faith still searching .
Hi Robyn,
Actually we calculated volume and converted that into US gallons. We represented H (height) as A (depth) because blood is not a solid and is in fact a liquid that behaves like a liquid when poured out upon the surface of the earth which to the contrary of your erroneous interpretation of scripture is absorbed by said surface and spreads out rather than magically solidifying into a perfect cube. See Gravity for more details on why this occurs.
How much blood is lost when a person is decapitated? 75%, you say? And, we are the stumbling blocks? We were being generous with 33%.
Nevertheless, we respect your desire to fight for larger numbers and encourage you to continue your fight against falsities. Just make sure moving forward that you aren’t arguing against admitted estimates and especially logic.
DIVINECODERS
Thank you for information
Up to the horses bridles is considerably higher than 2 centimeters of depth.
Hi Martha,
The actual verse states that the blood came out of the winepress or trough (G3025) “unto” or until (G891) the horses bridle or bits (G5469), so we are discussing a spilling out as the horses run a distance of ~200 miles not a rising up. Moreover, the horses would be drowning in blood. So, the logic of the blood rising up does not quite work here.
Furthermore, if we were to increase the depth, we would be reaching a number closer to the billions and do you really believe that this world contains billions of devout Christians, ready to die for Christ? We wish it were so.
Again, we would desire that the number represent the entirety of mankind, nevertheless we cannot allow ourselves to be ruled by our desires and be led blindly like fools after our own hearts. Therefore, we must pray that the hearts of mankind will change and perhaps then billions will choose life over death.
Certainly, we hope our estimate is wrong; however, it is unlikely.
DIVINECODERS
It is cretainly talking about the depth of a Bloodline, outside of Jerusalem, to establish a new Jeru. (The slaughtered 1s Soul)
50 million people died in WW2. 100 million people were killed by communism.
Did you consider the blood could be 5 ft deep? Like a lake of blood? That would make for many more people.
Hi Michael,
We did not consider it based on the context of the verse, but we will consider it based on our desire that none shall perish twice. If the depth of blood were 5 feet deep, the number of Christians murdered in the name of Christ would become about 71 million and if that is the more accurate number, then Amen -let it be.
DIVINECODERS
It would be amazing if most Christians were able to understand the meaning of the verses in the book of Revelation; the book revealed to His Church by Jesus Christ. First of all the people placed into the symbolic wine press of God are not Gods people, they are the wicked that receive the full measure of His indignation, the wrath of God. Why on earth would you think God was going to pour out His final wrath on His own people ( Church ). Gods wrath is poured out against the wicked, that despise His Law, sin / iniquity is lawlessness, as in the man of lawlessness, the anti christ. Dear devinecoders, please go back and study your Bibles prayerfully, and carefully so as not to mislead people and misrepresent God, unless of course you are jesuits and that is your purpose in the first place.
Hi Joseph Smith,
We have already answered this erroneous argument in our comment to Pastor Tito many comments below this one. Please find that exchange below for our response.
Thanks!
DIVINECODERS
Well said. Amen.
Wrath is for the world — God’s judgement. Tribulation is for Christians, for their purification.
Divinecoders should pull down their whole web site. It is full of errors and distractions. They are not fit to teach.
BTW, your infamous name, is a pseudonym? or is it for real?
ARE YOU A LDS?
Hi James R,
We take it that you believe the wicked will be killed and then drink their own blood? That somehow makes sense to you? If the wicked are the blood source and that same blood is then poured out on the earth, thus causing the plagues (i.e. Wrath of God), then who in fact is on the receiving end of this wrath? Perhaps you could explain?
DIVINECODERS
DC said, “We take it that you believe the wicked will be killed and then drink their own blood? …’
Rev 14:9 And the THIRD ANGEL followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
If you are referring to this passage, spoken by the THIRD ANGEL, it is clear who is made to DRINK of the ‘WINE of the WRATH of God,’ in the ‘cup of his INDIGNATION’ — those who have received the MARK OF THE BEAST, the traitors of Christ and those who have willfully rejected him all their life. And the smoke of their torment rises FOREVER and ever, which is of course ETERNAL CONDEMNATION, the judgement of the world. Of course non-believers.
Made ‘drunk’ in the pain of judgement (swooning in torment) and being pressed in the wine press to squeeze out the blood are the same things. They are common expressions of judgement in the OT prophecies.
Notice, Vs 9-11 is not the judgement itself, but the prelude, a commentary, on the actual harvest of the clusters of VINE of the earth vs 17-20. The keywords connecting these two passages are Wine/grapes, WRATH and indignation and torment.
Important detail. This harvest of grapes is carried out BY THE ANGEL on earth (vs 19). And it is preceded by another very different harvest.
Mt 24:30 … they shall see the Son of man coming in the CLOUDS …
Vs 13-16 this OTHER harvest is triggered by an angel from the heavenly temple signaling to Christ, who is seated in the CLOUD (pre-trib Saints?), to commence harvesting. And CHRIST HIMSELF puts in the sickle and completes the harvest.
This harvest by Christ is the harvest of the Wheat. The harvest of believers. And people of this harvest are called BLESSED, who will find REST from their labours. In this harvest the dead in Christ shall rise and those remaining alive, the tribulation survivors, will be snatched away together to the Lord. It is the POST TRIB RAPTURE. No mention of wrath or indignation, or eternal torment, here but blessedness and rest.
So this harvest is BY THE LORD OF HARVEST. And the second harvest is by ANGEL(s). The first is the harvest of Post-trib believers. The second is judgement of the world.
As in agriculture, so in Prophecy and the festivals of the God of Israel. First the Barley, then the Wheat and finally the grapes. It is necessary that the harvest of wheat precedes the harvest of the grapes, as attested in the sequence of vs 13-16 and vs 17-20.
First the small PRE-TRIB harvest (barley). It is possible that there be multiple small waves of pre-trib RAPTURE. Then comes the POST-TRIB major harvest of believers (Wheat), thereafter the massive harvest of the clusters of vine of the earth, which is the 7- trumpets judgement (grape harvest and wine pressing) of the non-believers, in which 2/3 will perish. At the same time the 144,000 messianic Jews are sealed and remain on earth together with 2 witnesses to go through the trumpet judgements, unscathed. To RAPTURE for them.
The 7 Seals ON the scroll, are precursors to the 7-trumpets judgement written WITHIN. ALL the seals must be broken before the judgement revealed and commence.
WW2 was seal #4. Seal #5 will trigger the Great Tribulation. Seal #6 will CUT SHORT the tribulation, according to Christ’s own words in Mt 24, when the PRE-FIXED NUMBER of believers have died (Rev 6:11). Meaning there MUST be survivors. Paul bears witness as does Mt 24.
Seal #7 in the calm before the storm. The silent interlude before 7 fierce judgements.
I do not think any of this will change your mind, but others will be able to see your confusion. That is worth my trouble.
Mt 24:21 For then shall be GREAT TRUBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be SHORTEND, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be SHORTEND.
Hi James R,
Precisely, you did well to contradict yourself as an example to us all. In the future, you should stop at, “The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God”, because it is here where you should have scratched your head and wondered over the issue this has caused you. Therefore, we ask you again, ” If the wicked are the blood source and that same blood is then poured out on the earth, thus causing the plagues (i.e. Wrath of God), then who in fact is on the receiving end of this wrath?”
DIVINECODERS
Is it only 2 centimeters to the horses bridles? I thought it was more like 3 feet up to the horses bridles. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
Hi Kathleen Durheim,
In this instance, 2 centimeters does not refer to distance, rather it refers to depth.
DIVINECODERS
Kathleen and DC,
It matters not 1cm or a meter, this scripture does NOT referring to Christians. It is the judgement of the the world.
And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. -Revelation 14:20
This is not about Christians, but the unsaved.
Hi James R.,
If it is the “unsaved”, then who drinks the wine? The “saved”. You see how your logic breaks?
DIVINECODERS
OK here is some of the real math. If we take the height of a bridle at 4ft, which could easily be 5ft but we will take the lower number that would be 21,120,000 cubic ft of blood needed. Now instead of switching to cups, gallons and other measurements we will stay with cubic ft. The average adult human body has between .2 and point .27 cubic ft of blood, varying by size, altitude they live at etc. Let’s go with .25 because it is towards the middle and an easy number to use. So at .25 it requires 4 people for each gallon. Simply multiple the total gallons needed by 4 and you have your answer of 84,480,000 people. Now when you take into consideration that children have less and that very few live at the higher altitudes which increases the volume to higher levels and that .2 is actually the most common amount it could easily be 105,600,000.
By doing the math and taking the measurements given along with the assumption of 5 feet wide we see it is probably much more accurate to say around100 million than 7 million.
16 million died in WW1. 80 million in WW2. When the 7 trumpet judgement/wrath is over, 2/3 of world’s UNSAVED people would perish.
Current world population 7.1 billion. Current world ‘Christian’ population is 2.2 billion. Assuming an optimistic 10% of these, or 220 million, are saved. Total UNSAVED in the world today is approx 6.9 billion.
2/3 of 6.9 billion is 4.6 billion or 4,600 million UNSAVED, not Christians, will perish in the coming Judgement/wrath of God.
Sure the great tribulation will be here soon and untold numbers of Chrsitians will die. But it is a FIXED number. In Hitler’s holocaust 2/3 of Jews reportedly died. Supposing the same is true for the 220 million REALLY SAVED Christians, 2/3 of 220 million worldwide, or 147 MILLION, will die for their faith. That compared to 6 million Jews in the holocaust, makes the coming persecution truly the GREAT TRIBULATION.
All the same, Rev 14:17-20 is NOT about Christians.
Vs 6-11 contain the messages of 3 angels. All three are directed only at the UNSAVED. Vs 12 is a consolation and heads up for Christians.
Vs 13 is a the beginning of a new section, the next slide, as it were.
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from HENCEFORTH: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. -Revelation 14:13
HENCFORTH means presently, even from now — at the time of John to now — not at the end in the judgement. Judgment and wrath is for the UNSAVED.
And ANOTHER angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the HARVEST OF THE EARTH IS RIPE. -Revelation 14:15
Here is ANOTHER angel apart from the three in vs 6-11.
He speaks of 2 different harvests. One is the harvest of the earth, a reference to the harvest of Wheat. And the other of THE VINE OF THE EARTH.
This is true of the harvest sequence. First the barley (pre trib). Then the Wheat (post trib). And finally the Grapes in the Festival of trumpets — judgement of wrath of God.
End of the HARVEST OF THE EARTH (barley and wheat) is also the END of the great tribulations and rapture of the Church. It is the harvest of Christians.
And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the VINE OF THE EARTH, and cast it into the great winepress of the WRATH OF GOD. -Revelation 14:19
VINE PRESS ALWAYS REFERS TO JUDGEMENT. See vs 8-9.
The harvest of the GRAPE VINE is the harvest of the UNSAVED.
DC got it ALL WRONG! This article is confusing Christians.
Go back to the scriptures and read again, please.
And the WINEPRESS was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. -Revelation 14:20
Vs 14 IS NOT ABOUT CHRISTIANS. IT IS THE JUDGEMENT OF THE UNSAVED.
You reading this DC?
Hi James R.,
2.2 Billion saved -great we disagree, but we’ll take it. 🙂
DIVINECODERS
Hi Mccollough Raymond,
Why are you interpreting that the blood will be 4 or 5 feet deep? What will contain this blood so that it builds that high for 200 miles in distance? Instead, one may interpret this as the blood splashing onto the bridles, thus indicating haste.
Honestly, for every person lost to sin is a point for satan, so we hope the entire world will be saved and not suffer the same punishment. The more the better.
DIVINECODERS
Maybe?? the reference of furlongs & horses has to do both with a stadium (the place of displaying this wrath to whom soever it belongs) where horses are raced (among other things). This might be a ‘this is that Acts 2 moment (Joel prophecy)” where the answer is revealed the moment the act has manifested…my thinking since the Greek word for >furlong< in Rev chapter 14 is "STADION"…just a thought…shalom
also…are we assuming millions or billions of people are still residing on the earth at this time??…we can’t forget the what I call the “One Thirds”, not including all of the other death of men prior to this particular “grape-wine-press” harvest. There is no reference to width, just possibly depth, and if it were in an arena that this blood flooded to that John the Revelator was given a forward view of…it would be pressed outside the city…
I thought also that it would be more
It wasn’t just 2 centimeters deep. It said the depth – “up to the horses’ bridles,” (14:20 – see the NKJV). Depending upon the breed, that could be 5 feet or more deep!
Dear DIVINECODERS
I just saw your comment there to J844 and would like to give you one thing to think about. You wrote about the beheading of Christian in Revelation. If the church gets raptured before the Great Tribulation don’t you think that some will convert to Christ during this period of time say the 144,000 Jewish virgin men that does not defile themselves. Could this be those? Just something to think about.
Thank you
Hi Glen,
You have made two points, so allow us to address both with a single verse:
Here we see in Revelation 20:4 a very informative statement. We must pay close attention to the wording of this verse in order to understand exactly who is the subject of discussion.
Notice the phrase, “witness of Jesus”, clearly this verse is speaking of Christians. For, who else bears witness to Jesus but Christians?
Next, we have this issue with “Rapture”. Again, Revelation 20:4 presents a problem for this hypothesis. Notice the phrase, “neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;”
We must remind ourselves that the placement of a mark on the forehead or right hand is a global mandate that every single person on the planet will have to determine if they are willing to take it or not and if their children will receive it also.
Be aware for those who do take it they will lose their salvation and if they do not take it they will be killed, but they will be redeemed by Faith. Therefore, there is no way to avoid the Great Harvest (i.e., The time of tribulation and persecution of God’s people).
Endure.
DIVINECODERS
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. -Revelation 12:17
144k are exclusively Jewish messianic Christians. They keep the commandments of God AND have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 7 provides a list of them, all tribes of Israel. They don’t get saved AFTER the Christians are taken away, they are already saved as I type this. They will be right where they belong WITH ISRAEL on earth. ISREAL will hide in wilderness finding shelter on earth for 3 1/2 years from the time of the Abomination of Desolation. But the 144k will be free to roam as they please, BCZ, God will send his angel and seal them at the end of the tribulation that will be shortened — Seal #6.
Seal #7 triggers the 7 trumpet/bowls judgement. The 144k will be immune to the effects of the apocalypse. Like Israel in Egypt during the plagues.
The 3 1/2 years will be a time of great crisis for Israel — Jacob’s trouble — but God himself has vouchsafed their safety, kind of like when Moses recused them from the jaws of Pharaoh’s armies, as they made a miraculous escape through the Red Sea. That was a prelude for what is to come.
The 2 witnesses are another part of this picture. They will be a thorn in the side of the AC even while Christians are being killed in persecution worldwide.
Dear DC,
Again, you are ignoring the the scriptures I have quoted which clearly point to Pre-trib rapture.
Here is another:
1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the TRUMPET shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Paul says the Lord will appear when the LAST trumpet sound, which will terminate the Great Tribulation and initiate the Post-tribulation rapture when the dead in Christ will rise and we all will be changed, which then will be followed by the Wrath of God, a.k.a., the 7 trumpets judgement.
Since the LAST trumpet initiates the END of the tribulation, what happens at the FIRST trumpet?
When Noah started accepting people into the Ark, it continued for 7 days. I believe these 7 days correspond to the last week of years of Daniel, or the last 7 years. But tribulation does NOT happen till the middle of the 7 years. So is it not possible that people the FIRST trumpet is sounded at the beginning of the 7 years. Or perhaps at the time of the bridegroom coming to summon the 5 Wise virgins? Pauls knows something which he has hidden from our view.
The phrase “endure to the end” speaks of patience in faith. Of course it refers to people going through the tribulation and holding onto their faith and confession of Jesus Christ as Lord to the end and probably unto death. But this refers to people who did NOT get raptured BEFORE the tribulation.
It does not means those who get pre trib raptured did not get to practice patience in their personal walk. God is their judge. He decides if they are WORTHY TO ESCAPE.
All that said, looking at the state of the churches now, those who will qualify to be raptured BEFORE the tribulation will be few. VERY few. Because like the wise virgins they need to:
1) be looking for the Lord’s return,
2) have their light burning (testimony of a bright christian life), and the make sure that it keep burning even when he delays, which he will
3) if they are leaders, be faithfully feeding their sheep, even when the Lord delays in coming
4) if lay people, be profitable unto the Lord, even if NOT very talented
5) be not drunk with the things of the world
7) be not loving the PEOPLE of the world or the THINGS of the world
7) be a living sacrifice unto the Lord, in the knowledge that they do not belong to themselves but to him who redeemed them
… to name a few qualifiers.
As you can tell, only a rare few hidden minority — probably NOT in the main organised denominational churches — will qualify.
I hope to be among them. But have no confidence to say I will be. Also my own children, I don’t think qualify. So I am reluctant to escape while they are left behind.
Blessings.
Hi James R,
We are not ignoring your arguments, but we are apparently answering them in a less than obvious manner. To be quite frank, the moment that you took the position of a “pre-trib rapture” you instantly lost the debate. You caught fire and have perished upon impact when you coupled that view with Salvation by Good Works. We chose not to focus on the issue, but instead have decided to provide you with the most simplified view of the end as possible with the hopes that you would awaken to the realities of tribulation and no longer expect an easy way out -this has not worked.
Please forgive us for not assimilating to a fluffy view of the Holy Bible. We must test every claim and provide a reason for our belief even when it contradicts our own desires; therefore the best we can give to you is the words we have already presented. Why can’t you understand Revelation 20:4 and realize that these are the Saints with Christ! These people have been murdered, beheaded for their faith in Jesus Christ! Take a look:
“Why were they beheaded?”, you might ask, because, “They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.” Or in other words, they ENDURED! Endured what? TRIBULATION!! These are the First to Rise, so are these the people you are talking about being a part of your so-called “pre-trib rapture”? It certainly appears to be the case, which is interesting, because they were murdered!
You cannot have it both ways: You cannot say that there will be a “pre-trib rapture” and at the same time have a verse stating that all will be given a mark that if NOT taken will exclude that person from the buying and selling of goods and expect that Christians will be exempt from this law.
Just look at the world right now. You say that we are ignoring your evidence from scripture but you are ignoring your very own eyes and ears. You are ignoring the world around you. You are standing in a puddle of water that is drying up. Soon you will know what it means to endure and have faith, just like our brothers and sisters in the Middle East and elsewhere. You cannot ignore these facts and automatically assume that they were bad Christians, unworthy of an easy way out.
Even your misunderstanding has you already judging the worth of your own children! This is a fault that has got to be corrected before it is too late. Friend, we wrote this article 2 years ago and here we are today STILL talking about it! Why is that? Because, we are starting to see the prophecy come to life and as time goes by this article will only continue to become more and more relevant while the concept of “rapture” will become a curse to those who still believe.
Clearly, the last battle on earth will be fought in the mind.
DIVINECODERS
Dear James:
Please note that I do not profess to be a Bible scholar. However, I do know that if the Spirit of the Lord Jesus lives in you, then you will have the confidence that his salvation was completed on the CROSS.
Holy Ghost filled believers know that it is not by our righteousness that we are saved. It is by the sacrifice on the CROSS of JESUS, which gives us salvation. Therefore, he that began the good work in us, will complete it unto the day of CHRIST JESUS. Amen.
I am sorry Chip, what exactly are you trying to say?
Of course I know we have believed with the heart and confessed with the mouth and by the blood of Christ have been justified — redeemed from all our account of sins. Furthermore, those who are born again, are indwelled by the Spirit of God. But salvation is a process. It need to be worked out through trials. Tried faith is perfected faith.
Because there is much more to Christian life then to be forgiven for sins. We were reconciled to God by th death of Christ — justified — much more, we shall be saved by his life in us, i.e., led by the Spirit, walking in the Spirit, fulfilling the righteousness of the law.
Notwithstanding all this, election is still true doctrine of Christ. This is mostly the purpose of the Great Tribulation (GT). The other being, wickedness of the world towards Christians in the GT will give God the moral right to bring judgement against them.
1 Pet 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Yes and amen!!!!
Take notice of the following scriptures; the “Day of the Lord” is what has been blindly taught and understood as the “rapture”. This doctrine will lead many to fall away from their faith, once they realize the truth. We, as believers, living at the return of Yeshua, will go through the tribulation.
If chapter 2 isn’t enough to prove this, I have also included chapter 4; which is blatantly telling us we will go through the tribulation, if we are alive upon the return of Yeshua.
2 Thessalonians 2: 1-17 KJV
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3***Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
2 Thessalonians 4: 13-18
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Dear Kathleen, I appreciate your comment, but have no idea where you are going with your long answer.
For the record, I do NOT deny that the scriptures teach post trib rapture. You are quoting to me scriptures that are familiar to me.
But I also believe and can prove that the scriptures teache pre-trib rapture too.
Notwithstanding, I must add, that the people who will be raptured before the tribulation would be a small number. Remember MH370? A whole airliner with 236 passenger have disappeared, and the world goes on as if nothing happened. They were not raptured. But like them, the pre-trib group will quickly be forgotten.
On the doctrine of post-trib rapture, I must add in opposition to the owners of this blog, that the numbers that will die in the Great Tribulation (GT) is FIXED and LIMITED. To this end the GT will be SHORTENED. It will probably last, between 3 – 6 months. About 30-60% of born again Christians will survive to see the Lord appear in the sky.
This event will be marked by the breaking of the 6th seal.
1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 THEN WE WHCH ARE *ALIVE AND REMAIN* SHALL BE CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Of course there will be Christians in the Tribulation. Anyone who doubts that should read up on the 5th and 6th seals in Rev 6-7.
There is a *fixed* number of Christians, who must die during tribulation — I call it the tipping point — before God rouses himself to shut it down with a monster earthquake, the blood moon and the sun-sky black out, which will be marked by the 6th seal, in which the 144k are also sealed to stay behind. But no one should have the delusion that going through the tribulation is some kind of accolade for your walk in Christ. It is NOT. Christians who go through the Tribulation are those who did not fulfil their portion of suffering in Christ during NORMAL times. You failed in your daily walk. Your faith is wanting of purification. So your trials of fire are concentrated within the short Tribulation period.
BUT not ALL who go through the great tribulation will be killed. And the tribulation will likely last only 3 mths. I.e., Seal 5-6 is only 3 mths. I’ll not be dogmatic about that but that is my estimation.
But even as most Christians go through tribulation, a very small percentage will escape it. Based on the 10 virgins parable, supposing 10% of all born again Christians were actively looking for the return of the Bridegroom. Then half of them or a grand total of 5% of born again Christians will escape the Tribulation. These are those whom we might call faithful, wise and *profitable* servants, comprised of select, mostly obscure, leaders and low profile believers.
I estimate the current population of born again Christians to be only 3% of world population. 7.3b x 0.03 = 219 million. Supposing 5% escapes tribulation, approx 11 million will be PreTrib raptured and the rest of 208 million will endure tribulation. If the number fixed by God to be killed in tribulation is only 10% of that, then 20.8 million will die and the rest of the 187 million will survive the 3 mths long tribulation.
Rev 3:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
In WW2 — 1939-45 — 85 million died over the course of 7 years. Imagine 20.8 million Christians dying in the 3 months!!! The violence will be great and unprecedented in history. Along with the violence, Christians will also suffer depravation of shelter, food and water. Jungle survival comes to mind.
BTW, Pastor Tito is right. There are 2 harvests in rev 14. The 1st is by the Lord of harvest. The 2nd is by the Angels who proceed to ‘harvest’ the earth in the 7 trumpets judgment. Christians are harvested first to safety. Then the world faces the vengeance of God.
In all this discussion, the Bride of Christ remains hidden from view.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Hi James R,
Obviously we agree that Christians will undoubtedly be present during times of tribulation, but we must not confuse this time with what is called the, Wrath of God. No true Christian will be present during this time and THIS is your “rapture”.
We must disagree, we do not consider persecution as a punishment. Was Jesus punished? A test is close, but the way we like to consider it is by imaging one stepping through a portal of fire. Imagine it, it looks scary and as you witness those before you seemingly burning up, having no idea what became of them, while suffering the pressures of those around you to toss away faith, to turn around and go the other way, yet despite all this one steps forward through the fiery portal, the pain is almost unbearable and having endurance finds that on the other side is salvation. Therefore, reprove is a blessing.
No true Christian will escape persecution. There will come a time in every persons life where they will be given a choice: 1) Take the mark of the “beast”, or 2) Die! How will any percent escape this ultimatum alive? Yet, we are not naive, and will admit that perhaps less than 1% of God’s people will escape by accident. Meaning, they will happen to be in the right place(s) at the right time(s). For example, these folks are out camping when martial law goes into effect. However, even they will suffer quite unbearably in due time. We estimate persecution to begin just about the time they run out of food.
We do agree, that not all of the saints will be killed, although 100% of them will suffer greatly. One must understand this to be certain, because those seeking rapture will be discouraged in the camps and lose their faith and willingness to endure -waiting for a rapture that will never come. Rapture is not just non-biblical, but it is also a very cruel and abominable lie -useful only to haunt us in our final hour. Beware.
There is only 1 harvest -think literally. Of course we will not all die at the exact same time, it will take months, years to complete the Great Harvest. In fact, it has already started. Christians in non-western countries are being beheaded, massacred and facing persecution in the name of Jesus Christ right now!
Prepare for persecution and endure.
DIVINECODERS
Wrath is not tribulation, tribulation is not wrath. 120 years Noah built the Ark for a long time, 120 years. Then for 7days they entered the Ark. Thereafter came the flood. The flood is the wrath of God upon the WORLD, not Christians. The 7 days represent the 7 years of Daniel’s 70th week. Tribulation begins in the *midst* of it. Since people begin entering the ark from day #1, it can be said that some enter God’s safety in pre-tribulation and the rest through post-tribulation. But all enter the ark within the 7 years.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to **escape ALL these things** that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Luke chapter 21 is a comprehensive outline of the coming Great tribulation. Yet Luke records the Lord’s word saying we are to Watch and Pray to be accounted worthy to *escape* ALL THESE THINGS. He also explains why is means to WATCH & PRAY. It means to avoid the distractions of worldliness pursuing holiness and being fruitful unto the Lord.
Long story short. It is wrong to deny pretribulation raprtue.
The 10 virgins parable is another example of pretribulation rapture. All ten of them knew when to start expecting the Bridegroom’s return, and do it as required. But when the actual time comes, NOT all are ready to go with him. So the 5 foolish get left behind.
But the 5 WISE ones *escaped* the tribulation!
This escape need not be defined as a harvest. But if you must then it is the barley harvest in Passover before the wheat in Pentecost.
We can verify this from the Wise and Faithful Servant (WFS) parable. Where the WFS is applauded and rewarded at the coming of the Lord while the unfaithful ones face the *weeping and gnashing* in the fire of tribulation. Likewise the unprofitable servant of the Talents parable also is left to face the Tribulation fire.
Some people mistaken this weeping and gnashing for the wrath of God. But it is not. The wrath of God is the *everlasting fire* faced by the Goats/fake Christians. All the 4 parable are concatenated for a reason. Compare and contrast.
Everyone knows when the Pre & Post tribulations are SUPPOSED to take place, based on the unveiling of the 70th week. But on one knows when they will *actually* take place because,
FIRST the bridegroom delays coming for almost a year, after the peace treaty is signed,
SECOND, God shortens the Great tribulation to LIMIT the numbers of elects who will die, as predetermined by him. The devil would like to kill them ALL, but he is powerless to do it.
Mt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be SHORTHENED.
I am guessing when I say that 10% of Christians or 21 million of those not Pre-trib raptured will die in he great tribulation. Or it could be 50%, or 100 million dead in 3mths. I won’t be dogmatic about my guesstimation. But I find it hard to believe that God will allow 99% to be killed. It is the devil who is doing the killing. But God can step in anytime he wants, and he will, according to the scriptures. For he will SHORTEN the Great Tribulation.
But I agree that even those not killed will be sorely tested.
BTW, the great Tribulation is meant to refine the faith of Christians who ***failed*** to do it at normal times. It is both an instrument of TESTING and Divine DISCIPLINE for the faithless and unprofitable saints who failed to be prepared and failed to shine the light of Christ:
Mt 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he ***looketh not for him,*** and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall ***cut him asunder,*** and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mt 25:30 And cast ye the ***unprofitable*** servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Lk 12:35 Let your loins be girded about, and your ***lights burning;***
36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
Lk 13:47 And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and **prepared not** himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Hi James R,
No one, not even the elect (Mark 13:20) will be spared tribulation. Are you or is there any Christian alive today or in the future that is greater than Stephen (Acts 7:54-60) who was in fact stoned to death! Where was Stephen’s rapture? What about the Christian’s in Rome that were fed to lions -where was their “rapture”? What about the Christians in the Middle East and elsewhere being slaughtered like dogs -are they not worthy of your so-called, “rapture”?
Do you not see how a belief in that which is non-biblical could in fact be a hindrance, a stumbling block? What if Stephen believed in “rapture”? One might assume that he’d likely be pretty confused as to why rocks are being tossed at him, wouldn’t you say? Perhaps, lose his faith in the process. This is what the lie of “rapture” has to offer the masses in the end -utter and shameful disappointment. As was stated in our previous comment, we are already being persecuted now. Tribulation has already begun for many Christians. And, believe it or not, they too are just as worthy of Christ as any other Christian, yet they are not spared -why should anyone else?
Just as the LORD, Jesus Christ, suffered and died on the cross, you too will suffer and die on your cross! You make this so-called “rapture” sound like a “get out of jail free card” based on how great one is. This is called, “Salvation by Good Works” and we already know as astute Christians that Salvation is a gift obtained solely by Faith alone; thus debunking the rapture hypothesis even further or at least your version of it.
As always, the devil might act as a catalyst, but all remains the will of God! For, it was God that turned them over to a reprobate mind (Romans 1:28). It would be wise to understand what it truly means to be a follower of Jesus Christ. We can tell you quite securely that the true way of Christ is one of sacrifice. It takes a lot of courage to follow Jesus Christ. His way is a hard road to travel -requiring both endurance and a willingness to overcome obstacles. Which is why so many professing Christians will not be Harvested and made a part of the First Resurrection, because they will fail to endure. Perhaps because they will be waiting for a “rapture” that will never come and they will lose their faith and become unworthy of the Harvest. It’s sad, but likely.
DIVINECODERS
Dear DC,
You are putting words in my mouth and denying the scriptures I quoted.
I never said that I personally would escape the tribulation, only that the scripture allows for it.
The 10 virgins parable in Mt 5 clearly says 5 Wise were taken and the 5 Foolish were left behind. Taken away from what? and left behind to face what? Those who were prepared, were found worthy to go with the Lord. Those left behind, the foolish ones, are characterized as the wicked servant of Mt 24:48-51 and the UNprofitable 1-talent servant of Mt 25:30. Both of them are made to face the weeping and gnashing, but without the mention of everlasting fire faced by the Goat-Christians.
We know, therefore, that the foolish virgins went through the Great Tribulation, which the Wise virgins ESCAPED.
Speaking of escaped, Luke who does not record the 10 virgins parable, nevertheless, says it all too clearly …
Lk 21
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Of course the WRATH of God or the 7 trumpets judgement does not apply to Christians, so ESCAPE from what ALL THINGS could Luke be speaking about, if NOT the great tribulation?
I have scriptural basis to hope to escape from the great tribulation. But am NOT saying that I surely would. It is just a hope, and a JUST hope it is in the word of God.
The purpose of the Great Tribulation is to concentrate the testing which most Christians do not subject themselves to during normal times. They fail in their everyday walk. So the need for the final stress test.
James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Notice it says enduring testing is connected to the crown of life, which is salvation. This has nothing to do with a gospel of works. We are saved by grace though faith. But that faith needs testing so that it be perfected. Untested faith is unperfected faith. And no Christian is fit to cross the threshold of God until he is tested, even as Christ was also tested for obedience unto death.
But testing comes in different packaging for different people. For most, it comes as a single big parcel at the end, in the form of the great tribulation. For others in small packs delivered everyday, in which we learn to deny ourselves on a daily basis.
Notwithstanding I do not judge myself as worthy of escaping the coming TEST. And am prepared to go through it by the grace of God. But will not contradict the scripture by saying there is no escaping it. Indeed few will escape it. But perhaps only 10% will die and it will be greatly contracted.
1 Pt 4
1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
Hi James R,
Here we see in Matthew 24:8-14 a very clear and linear description of the end. Notice verse 13, “he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” Notice the phrase, “endure unto the end”, thus a linear description -it has a start and a finish, everything between is our time to “endure” until the “end”. This is tribulation, this is the Great Harvest making its way toward you. Yes, this is the “beginning of sorrows” and yes, they shall “deliver you up”, and yes, you will be “afflicted”, and yes they shall “kill you”, but if you survive, please “endure” or in other words continue to be separated.
You will be separated because you will be given a choice to take the “mark” or not. If you do not take it, you will be separated. You will have to escape this ultimatum and stay that way until Jesus returns. Think of the reality of going off the grid. It will not be as easy as you think. No matter what happens, one must endure and stay resistant by keeping their faith alive. Please don’t make the mistake of believing that you will not be required to endure great suffering.
We are all on the same planet, we will all get our turn -one way or another. So, please endure.
DIVINECODERS
“9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.” -Matthew 24:9
Answer: YES!
Are We Required to Endure Tribulations?
“And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.” -Matthew 10:22
Answer: YES!
Can We Do It?
“4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
-Revelation 20:4
Answer: YES WE CAN!
DIVINECODERS
first of all it is not talking about gods children, if you read and STUDY!!!! its the second angel the first angel took gods children out before this second angel comes which are the god haters who will pay with their life.
Hi Pastor Tito,
Perhaps it’s fear of uncertainty or the compromising bend of preachers afraid of losing a warm body in the pew, thus a coin in the plate; however, none of which are an excuse to deny the truth, especially when it is spelled out to you in black and white:
Notice the word “firstfruits”! Is a tare the same as wheat? Does one harvest the tare? Why would you assume that the godless are fruits and not the weed they are?
Moreover:
Let’s take the Paul approach and be logical here: If the tare (i.e. godless) are the ones tossed into the great winepress of the wrath of God, then who is drinking the wine? Are they drinking themselves?
If the tare are indeed the ones pressed into wine, then who will receive the plagues? Is God planning to pour out themselves upon themselves?
Again, who are these mysterious people left on earth?
In summation, there is no rapture! Prepare for tribulations! And, with all due respect, stop lying to your congregation!!
DIVINECODERS
The grapes of “the vine of the earth” refers to the fruit of satan. In verses 14-16, Jesus harvests the saints. After this, in verses 17-20, the angel reaps the grapes of the vine of the earth. First the saints, those who’s names are written in the book of life, are harvested. Then the remainder of the earth is harvested and put into the wine press of the wrath of God.
Hi Jim,
One does not “harvest” the tare -one burns it.
DIVINECODERS
Is evident that the cause of so much blood shed is the *L*A*W
*L = 200*5280 feet (200 miles long)
*W = 5 feet (wide)
*A = 0.0656168 foot (2 centimeters deep)
Hear ye Hear ye Hear ye
Galatians 4:21 ” ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? ”
(the “curse” of the law: if ya don’t keep all the law all the time, to 1,000 generations, you’re all cursed”)
law had an expiry date; expired so l-o-n-g ago it’s now spiritual food poisoning
(when “the fulness of the time” was come, God sent forth his Son: Galatians 4:4)
(the “law was given by Moses”, grace and truth came by Jesus Christ: Jn 1:17)
Christ: “the end of the law” (for righteousness)
We are “delivered from the law” (Romans 7: 6)
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What The Law Was: Was, but is not
Law “was” a “schoolmaster”: Galatians 3: 24,25
Witch notably failed every student: Romans 9:31
“Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster”. Galatians 3:24,25
– law was a “great terror”-ist to all Israel (of Jacob–>Israel): Deut 34:12
– law was “great tribulation” which JC gave no place to in Matthew 24:21
– law was trouble-ing, it troubled the waters; so let not your heart be troubled (lawed)
– law was a lie (John 1:17), a liar from the beginning (John 8:44), the father of lies (laws)
– law was a thief (John 10:10) witch cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy
– law was an accuser (John 5:45) of the brethren (Revelation 12:10)
– law was the letter witch killeth (2Cor 3:6) … (Gal 3:1)
– law was the ministration of condemnation (2Cor 3:9) God didn’t send his Son to condemn(law): John 3:17
– law was the ministration of death (2Cor 3:7) to “all”, even those who didn’t sin: Rom 5; 1Cor15:22; Heb 11:13
– law was an unjust judge (Lk 18:6) which took vengeance on them asking to be avenged. God is the just judge, of all
– law was a worker of wrath (Romans 4:15) which God hath not appointed us unto (1Thess 5:9)
– law was destructive (Mt 7:13), etc
– law was a destroyer (1Cor 10:10) who destroyed those saved out of Egypt (Ex…Jude 5)
– law was against us, and contrary to us (Col 2:14), as contrary as us-ward
– law was faulty (Heb 8:7), finding fault with everyone (Rom 9:31); By the law none enter
– law was partial (Mal 2:9), partial eight souls; whereas God & Son have no partiality (“respect of persons”) at all
– law was evil concupiscence (Col 3:5), an ungovernable desire to do what’s forbidden
– law was a curse (Gal 3), the curse of the law (Deut) which accursed them all by 1 lousy tree law (Gen 2: 17)
– law was sin (see Rom 14:23… Gal 3:12); law defined sin (Rom 7:7), made sinners (Lk 7:39)
– law was strength of sin (1Cor 15:56), strong man (Mt 12:29) of the house of sin & death
– law was a sting (1Cor 15:56); had a death sting to all who touched, tasted, handled such toxic religion
– law was an additive, being “added” (Gal 3:19) to “grace is sufficient”, making grace impure
– law was devilish wisdom (Jam 3): earthy, sensual, “devilish” (the third part of such other wise)
– law was a shadow (dark version) of things to come , not the very things to come (Heb 10: 1)
– law was inefficient, unable to make comers thereunto perfect (Heb 10:1), yet law demanded perfection
– law was temporal (2Cor 4:18), mortal: had expiry date: “fullness of the time” for it (Gal 4:4)
– law was a tempter (Mt 4:3; 1Th 3:5), but the God of all grace is no tempter (Jam 1:13)
– law was a murderer (Jn 8:44; 1Pet 4:15; 1Jn 3:15), and from the beginning
– law was a wrothful tormenter (Mt 18), fear hath torment (1Jn 4:18), of law (Lk 16:28)
– law was imagination contrary to the knowledge of God (2Cor 10:5), knowledge of the Holy
– law was left (not right nor with God) when comparing left and right things (Mt 23:38)
– law was bestial (Rev 13), which also devoured those who fed it (Heb 7:23; Heb 11:13, 29)
– law was an under taker (2Cor 3:6), whereas God is a giver (Jn 3:16), of life (1Jn 5:11)
– law was sacrifice (Heb 10:8), something “that God” will not have (Hos 6:6; Mt 9:13) ever
– law was Horeb bull, exceedingly “terrible”(Heb 12:21 / Dt 4:11)… unbearable to even hear
– law was Piled high dung (Phil 3:8); oughta be flushed, to be “found” in Christ: the end of law
– law was a dead end (Heb 11: 13,29 these all died … and rec’d not the promise)
– law was false and deceitful (2Cor 11:13; Mt 24: 4,5); law prophecies shall fail (1Cor 13:8)
– law was a schoolmaster (Gal 3:24) witch failed every student (Rom 9:31; Heb 11:13,39; Jude 5)
– law was a counter part (part I) to be “done away” (1Cor 13:10; 2Cor 3:7,11,14) in part II (Heb 10:9)
– law was leaven (Mt 16:6; 1Cor 5:6); beware “the leaven” of Pharisees (not fear Pharisees)
– law was self-righteousness (Phil 3:9), which there is none of in Christ nor in God
– law was unrighteousness (Rom 2:8) and indignation , also contentious (argumentative)
– law was an oppressor (Acts 10:38), root cause of all depression (“oppression”) & dis-ease
– law was great, a “great” mystery, “great” terror (Dt 34:12), of “great” tribulation (Mt 24)
– law was merciless (Heb 10:28), it destroyed all those saved out of Egypt (Jude 5) afterward
– law was a false balance, which is an abomination of desolation: Proverbs 11:1 and 20:23
– law was the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel (Mt 24:15; Mk 13:14)
– law was “enmity” (Eph 2:15), hindering all from entering in (none enter by law: no enter lists)
– law was “bewitching” to the churches of Galatia (Gal 3:1) and churches of Asia (Rev 2 & 3)
– law was plan b: “bondage” (Gal 2:4; 4:3,9,24,25; Rom 8:15, 21; Heb 2:15; 2Pet 2:19)
– law was a snare (entrapment) of the devil (1Tim 3:7; 2Tim 2:26); taking victims “captive”
– law was vexation of spirit (Solomon), which ‘frustrated” the grace of God (Ezra 4:5; Gal 2:21)
– law was a trap door (Mt 10: 11) … which shuts in those unaware victims get ensnared (Revelation)
– law was a no name king who disrobed and sat in ashes, when it heard the people believed God: Jonah
– law was the beast that “was”, but “is not” (it got “abolished”: Eph 2; “done away”: 2Cor 3; “blotted out”: Col 2)
– law was “darkness” (Amos 5:18; Lk 11: 34-36; Heb 10:1); there’s none of such in “that God” (1Jn 1:5)
– law was envying & strife; vain glory & evil (Rom 13:13; 1Cor 3:3; Gal 5:26; Jam 3: 14)
– law was all vanity and vexation of spirit (grace): Job 7:16; Ps 10:7; Eccl 1:14; Is 41:29; 2Pet 2:18
– law was vain religion: James 1:26; toxic religion that produces evil concupiscence and spiritual perversion
– law was the err (Mt 12: 29; Mk 12:27; Jam 1: 16) of ye do err folk who mixed grace + law
– law was a work of errors (Jer 10:15; Heb 9:7) among the Melchisedec priests (Heb 7: 23)
– law was what made all sinners, none righteous (Rom 3:23; 3:10; 11:32; Gal 3:22)
– law was transgression (1Jn 3:4; Heb 2:2; 1Tim 2:14; Rom 4:15; Acts 1:25; Dan 8:13)
– law was imp-ish; imputed sin (Rom 5: 13), unto all if any added law to grace (Jam 2:10)
– law was a troll expecting a toll (Heb 7:2, 4), a tithe (sacrifice) for “temporal” safe passage
– law was the un of un-just, un-clean, un-righteous; and the dis of dis-ease, dis-comfort, etc
– law was a mission impossible (Rom 9:31), all who tried failed to attain righteousness by the law
– law was a commandment contrary to the grace us commandment of God (Gen 2:16 vs17)
– law was suicide-all (a ministration of death for all, not some only, by the curse “of the law”)
– law was the childish imperfect part of child–>man Paul put away: 1Cor 13; “their part” of 2 parts
– law was only given to the Jews (King: of the Jews) “by Moses”; Never given to the Gentiles.
(and it was given only for comparison of what grace is, compared to what grace is not: law)
What’s “evident”, from all the biblical evidence, in Galatians 3:11 ?
“that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident”
Another Law (The Second: “love thy neighbor as thyself”):
It produces all manner of evil concupiscence: wretchedness,
resulting in a latter end “worse” rather than latter end better.
see related topic: Question of all generations finally got answered
see related topic: Hurricane Katrina’s real name is “Law worketh wrath)
see also related article law had an expiry date at GodShew.Org’s ShewBread
BCAD… Law On Cross …AD…–> The End(of law)
The light shineth in the darkness, till there’s all light and no darkness at all.
For the law cannot disannual His Grace; Rather His Grace abolishes law.
leaving the “principles”(plural) of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on ———–>unto “perfection”.
Perfection is grace void of law, which is mercy void of sacrifice, which is peace void of divisions.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.
The saints of God sleeping in the dust will rise when the Sun of man breaks through the clouds of heaven and this saints alive while in the tribulation of the last days will ascend in New bodies too meet Jesus in the air. Jesus said that our flight is hopefully notnin the winter or the Sabbath day. Revelation 13 says the beast power has the majority of the world worshipping it through its false doctrines. How can a small company of true Christians live in such an environment like Sodom art the end of the world? Christ said as it was in the days of Lot and Noah, so it will be when he returns. Look in the history books to see how the Roman Catholic Church persecuted those that sought to worship God by the dictates of their own hearts and the letter of scripture. Paul stated that it is through much tribulation we enter the kingdom oh God. Daniel 12:1 doesn’t say that the saints will be delivered From tribulation, but simply that they will be delivered. Throughout scripture we see all God’s people go through tribulation, don’t be misled that the people in the end will skate into the kingdom without giving witness to the truth. The patriarchs and prophets would look at us and say how did they get here? Where is their testimony? Rev 12:11, they overcome by the blood of Jesus and the word of their testimony. They Loved not their lives unto the Death. Death to a Christian is but a sleep. Time is no issue. The tribulation is not so God can see his people suffer. It’s too witness to people that need to hear the gospel in the last days. It’s just the battle we are in. But when the last soul has made up their mind for Christ or the world, the blood of another saint will not be spilled. The 7 last plagues will fall and Jesus will return. So if you are afraid of death when the Lord said he has the keys to it, will you relent to the beast power to save your skin? Millions of saints died during the dark ages, see we brr than them in out devotion for truth or DO we need get our allegiance to God together? I also speak this to myself.
Ex 20:10, 11
Ecc 12:13
Rev 22:14
Rev 14:7
Isa 66: 22,23
Rev 21:1
Thanks so much for providing this info, will pass it on.
PS way too much debating for me when it comes to will we or won’t we go through the tribulation, the Bible”speaks” for itself but when I read. the book of Revelation over and over again, still wondering why the church” IS NOT mentioned after chapter 3 and not again until the Lord returns with the Saints? Some have said that’s not true, so can you or anyone else show me where the Church Is mentioned, in between those verses then? Thanks and God bless.
Actually, the church is mentioned in a few more subtle ways before the Lord, Jesus Christ returns for us. For instance, here in Revelation 12:14 where it speaks of the woman fleeing into the wilderness to escape the wrath of satan. We know this woman is the followers of Jesus Christ because in Revelation 12:17 it states, “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Beyond this and during this time of fleeing, Christians are being persecuted.
Thanks for sharing!
DIVINECODERS
Howdy…I”ve recently learned a few pieces of information that I think may benefit this part of the discussion….it’s a little lengthy, so grab your coffee! haha
While it’s true the woman represents the followers of Jesus Christ in Revelation 12:17, it is not simply the born again believers but specifically, it refers to the JEWS who BECAME Christian during the first half of the Tribulation. These are Messianic Jews who flee into the wilderness for protection. They are the ones Jesus warns in Matthew 24:15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[c] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.” How do we know these are Messianic Jews and not Gentile Christians? Because of those people Jesus references; “let those who are in JUDEA”…JEWS live in Judea. (In Hebrew, Judea actually means “place of the Jews”.) I believe that if Jesus were referencing ALL Christians, He would not have made reference to those living in Judea. It is my belief that these are the “remnant” of God’s chosen people because we know that they are supernaturally protected for the last half of the Tribulation. We also know that the majority of the Jews, sadly, will be annihilated. (Zechariah 13:8)
And we further know that the woman represents the Jews due to Revelation 12:4-6 “And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. 5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.” The woman represents Israel; it is from Israel that we received this “male Child Who will rule all nations with a rod of iron”…Our Savior, Jesus Christ.
It is not the Gentile nations that Christ directs to “flee into the wilderness” of Judea but rather, it is the WOMAN or ISRAEL, specifically, Judea. For this reason, we know that these Christians who flee to the wilderness during the second half of the Tribulation (the time known as the Great Tribulation) are indeed Messianic Jews.
With regard to the timing of the Rapture….It is for this reason that it is safe to assume that the Rapture cannot occur AFTER the Abomination of Desolation (Mid Trib) because otherwise these saints would have been raptured. The rapture must occur prior to the mid tribulation time period, prior to these Messianic Jews having received Christ.
God bless you, Divinecoders…if not here, I’ll see you in heaven!
Hi Linda,
First off, we’d like to say, bravo for your comment!! Although we must disagree, we admire your detail and logical approach to scripture.
Having said that, please turn to Romans 8:15:
Surely, you do not deny that by faith in Jesus Christ we are adopted into the family, thus we are made sons of God!
No doubt, we as Christians are remnants of her seed. Through Paul we were told the good news and by faith we were reborn into the heavenly family. If Paul was a Roman-Jewish convert, then, by extension, so are we!
Do we not as Christians keep the Lord’s commandments and have His testimony? Sure we do, geography has nothing to do with our rights to the kingdom. We make it to the kingdom by faith in Jesus!
Please, when tribulations are at hand, do not submit yourself to be sacrificed!!
Flee!
DIVINECODERS
P.s. And, we’ll see you in the Kingdom. 😉
Hi, Preta4…actually, I disagree in part with what Divinecoders has explained to you with regard to the identity of the “woman” in Revelation 12. She does not represent Christians…well, yes but specifically she represents MESSIANIC JEWS who have received Christ during the Tribulation. Here is a copied/pasted comment I gave to Divinecoders on this subject that hopefully will benefit you in your biblical studies. God bless you, Preta4!
Ok…here’s the comment….
While it’s true the woman represents the followers of Jesus Christ in Revelation 12:17, it is not simply the born again believers but specifically, it refers to the JEWS who BECAME Christian during the first half of the Tribulation. These are Messianic Jews who flee into the wilderness for protection. They are the ones Jesus warns in Matthew 24:15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[c] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.” How do we know these are Messianic Jews and not Gentile Christians? Because of those people Jesus references; “let those who are in JUDEA”…JEWS live in Judea. (In Hebrew, Judea actually means “place of the Jews”.) I believe that if Jesus were referencing ALL Christians, He would not have made reference to those living in Judea. It is my belief that these are the “remnant” of God’s chosen people because we know that they are supernaturally protected for the last half of the Tribulation. We also know that the majority of the Jews, sadly, will be annihilated. (Zechariah 13:8)
And we further know that the woman represents the Jews due to Revelation 12:4-6 “And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. 5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.” The woman represents Israel; it is from Israel that we received this “male Child Who will rule all nations with a rod of iron”…Our Savior, Jesus Christ.
It is not the Gentile nations that Christ directs to “flee into the wilderness” of Judea but rather, it is the WOMAN or ISRAEL, specifically, Judea. For this reason, we know that these Christians who flee to the wilderness during the second half of the Tribulation (the time known as the Great Tribulation) are indeed Messianic Jews.
With regard to the timing of the Rapture….It is for this reason that it is safe to assume that the Rapture cannot occur AFTER the Abomination of Desolation (Mid Trib) because otherwise these saints would have been raptured. The rapture must occur prior to the mid tribulation time period, prior to these Messianic Jews having received Christ.
Where do You get 2 centimeters it says ‘up to the horses bridles.” If You figure the average height of a horse and where the bridle would be, and that would be approximately 52″ or 20.5 centimeters?
The verse actually states, “unto the horse bridles”, not “up to”. If we read the Greek text, we find that they used the word “achri” which means “UNTIL”, which is understood to mean, the entire horse was covered in blood due to the spilling of blood coming from the box of blood the horse(s) are running with behind them.
If the blood were indeed as deep as 52″, as you state, then we would be presented with a major problem: How could the horse(s) run? In fact, they would be drowning; therefore, it does not make sense to interpret the verse the way you have.
Moreover, using your number, we find that our results increase to: 2,194,054,054, which is entirely unlikely, as there is not that many of Christ’s followers alive today, nor is it likely that there will ever be that many on earth in the future. Even those so-called “christians” alive today will not all be saved by the LORD, Jesus Christ, thus:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21)
And, that’s the reality of life without God. Repent!
DIVINECODERS
NO ONE REFERRED TO 1THESS5: God says the church will not suffer his wrath. how long does God’s wrath last? also the Lord is the one who told these things to men. Let’s let Him sort it out and now live for Christ while you can. your missles are aimed in the wrong direction and you are wasting God’s time and yours. its like James and john’s mother asking for them to sit beside our Lord. this is already been determined and soldiers never get to know the whole battle plan. determine who’s side you are on and fight with all that is within you
Hi Ken,
Persecution and God’s Wrath are not synonymous: you will surely face persecution by the hands of His enemy for the sake of the LORD, Jesus Christ, but only IF you are willing by faith to be meek and endure until the end -many will not.
We are not soldiers, we are servants and a King does not send out His servants to battle, thus do not prepare for battle, rather prepare only to serve Him.
DIVINECODERS
Wow, I was looking up info on the 1600 furlongs and came across this website. Ronda is CORRECT we will NOT go through the tribulation period, there will be a catching away first. Those of us who have accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior will be raptured. We are in the age of grace. After the rapture of the church will begin the tribulation period aka Jacob’s trouble. This period was never meant for the Gentiles (non jews) ; however every unsaved person will go throught the tribulation period. The church is the bride of Christ. What husband would send his wife through such persecution?? Jesus will come and get His church and we will not go through this specific tribulation, but before this happens we will suffer because we are in this world. I certainly hope the Lord reveals this to you as this is false doctrine and would leave any believer hopeless. Our Lord, Redeemer, Lion of the Tribe of Judah, King of kings and Lord of lords WILL come and get His beloved bride, the church.
Hi Friend,
Perhaps you are mixing up God’s Wrath with what we are referring to as “tribulations”. No, those saved by the blood of the LORD Jesus Christ will not suffer God’s wrath; however, all of God’s Children will pass through the fires of redemption, which is your inevitable tribulation.
We, as American Christians, are not the only Christians in the world. Right now, our brothers in the Middle East, Europe, Africa, and Asia are being decapitated, crucified, kidnapped, shot, stabbed, lit on fire, raped, arrested, and more. Where is their rapture?
We are no better nor holier than they are. We are all sinners and we must all face the fires of redemption. Jesus did not die so that you could be saved from tribulations, He died to free you from your DEBT! Don’t you know the law of debts, that you will not be free until you pay every last cent; however, there is a loophole -your kinsman redeemer could pay for you!! Jesus Christ is our Kinsman Redeemer -He purchased our debts, thus we become blameless, because our debts are our sins.
Honestly, the teaching of Rapture is pure evil. In the end, you will be offended by the realities of Revelation, but we hope you keep your faith and choose to endure in the name of Jesus Christ. Please prepare for tribulations.
DIVINECODERS
From one loving spirit of divine energy to another if I had written some of the contradictions above I would research for the the true definitions of the terminology you have (English was N/A 100 AD) used as it was used in the first century in its original language locally. Then find out what Abraham’s Grandson Jacob was renamed to by YAHWEH God.
Divine coders, the bible warns us to be aware of false prophets. You say there will be no rapture, but I say the truth is not in you. You talk about using logic to come up with your calculations above, but the bible says, God uses the foolish things to confound the wise. It is not logical that peter walked on water, it is not logical that shadrach, meshach and abendigo (I may have mispelled their names, but you get it) did not burn up when they were thrown into the furnace, it’s not logical that when David was thrown into the lions den, he was not harmed by the lions.
There will be a rapture: Only one archangel is called by name in Scripture. He is Michael whose specific jurisdiction is over the people of Israel. At the time of the Rapture, the archangel will signal to Israel that God has returned the focus of his attention at last to the final redemption of his chosen nation.
This event was spoken of by Daniel: “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people–everyone whose name is found written in the book–will be delivered.” (Daniel 12:1)
The trumpet call, not to be confused with the last of the seven trumpets in Revelation, is a trumpet call associated with the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles. It will be used to call the living saints at the time of the Rapture to be caught up and transformed together with the just-raised saints of the past.
This is described also in 1 Corinthians 15, I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed–in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain. (1 Corinthians 15:50-58)
Hi Ronda,
We suppose you mean “Daniel” and the lions; however, yes, the fact that he was not harmed is surprising from a worldly viewpoint, but it isn’t at all surprising from a spiritual viewpoint, because, of course we all know that God can do anything.
We used logic where it was appropriate, where it was called for. Although our calculation is only an estimate, we feel that this number is realistic. After all, one does not have to kill a Christian to make him/her stop being a Christian; one can lose faith too. We suspect that in the end many professing Christians will reject Jesus Christ.
If you don’t think that this last generation hasn’t already just about fully rejected Jesus Christ, then perhaps you aren’t paying attention. Between losing your faith and being mass murdered, there truly wouldn’t be any Christians left in short time. This is why God said that He would return early; however, here is where we disagree with your hypothesis.
Your viewpoint is that in the end, you will live perfectly fine and right before the men in black kill you, Jesus comes back and warps you into the sky. That’s a half-truth.
Sure, you will be warped into the sky, but you wont be going in the flesh.
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Here is what 1 Corinthians 15:50-58 is talking about! It’s these people that endured all the way until the final hour. They are finally killed all at once and they are instantly taken up to heaven and rightfully so! They don’t sleep like all else do, because they are instantly given salvation and eternal life and just like those who are murdered in the name of Jesus Christ, they will reign with Christ in the New Kingdom for 1000 years while everyone else is asleep either in Hell or in Death/Sea. After 1000 years has passed, all souls will be released from Hell and from Death and from the Sea and they will be judged.
Revelation 20:13
Now we are at Daniel 12:1 where we examine the Book of Life. So, if your name isn’t written there, you go to the Lake of Fire to perish, or else you live forever serving Jesus Christ in the New Kingdom. That’s easy enough.
So, where is your rapture? Your rapture is dying in the name of Jesus Christ! If there is such a thing as rapture then it is the moment when we are spared God’s wrath. Think about the way the world is today and look at what it is becoming and know that you must reject it all and understand that when you do that you will be fined, arrested, detained, and at some point in the near future you will likely die, all the while suffering tremendously.
Revelation 20:4
Here we are with a single verse that summarizes everything we just discussed. Yes, there will be many Christians that are murdered (i.e. Beheaded), there will be some that endure the punishment for ignoring the demands of the “beast” (i.e. Anti-Christ World System) and will do so until the bitter end, and finally we have a reference to how we will live with Christ for 1000 years. So, as you see, we have reached an impasse.
What comes after the detainment, persecution, and massacre? The Wrath of God! What comes after that? 1000 year reign, while everyone else is asleep or in Hell. What comes after that, nope, still not rapture, the correct answer is judgement.
So, we ask, at what point will you be spared tribulations?
Faith is having the courage to face the fires of redemption, either you reject the world and suffer persecution or you reject Jesus Christ and lose it all. As nice as it would be, unfortunately, there is no easy way out, there will be no rapture.
DIVINECODERS
CAN FURLONGS REPRESNET DAYS? The bible has been studied by faithful teachers and they have reached the conclusion that May 21st 2011 was the beginning of Judgement day! It will last for 1600 days/furlongs(Lord willing!)
This leads us to October 7,2015. A very possible date for the end of Judgement day and the final end of the world.
Hi cubicalcomplex,
First off, we do not relate to the idea that life should be extended, as we are calling on Jesus Christ to come NOW! Secondly, can furlongs represent days? The answer is, no it cannot, that is not how the Bible is read, we do not interpret what isn’t there nor ignore the surrounding context, which if furlong meant day, would disrupt the logic of the remaining text, so we avoid doing that, so not to be confusing.
You should refrain from listening to folks that claim that they know when the world is going to end, because THEY DON’T know, as the Bible has made clear. What you must do is pay attention to the signs of the end. Has Tehran and all of Iran been destroyed? No, then the end is not here yet. Have Christians been persecuted and murdered in masses worldwide? No, then the end is not here yet. There will be no rapture, only death and if done so with faith and endurance, will lead into eternal life. Just like Jesus Christ suffered and died, you too must suffer and die.
As for the end being Oct 7th, 2015, it’s possible as anything is possible; however we doubt it’s a long enough period of time considering that the war against Iran will take ~3.5 years, then the destroyer will turn against and destroy the holy people. (Daniel 8) So, wait for Iran to fall, then wait for the persecution of God’s people, and count down 3.5 years and you might get the correct month, week, or day, but you will never know the exact HOUR.
Which really is unimportant to your Salvation. You should instead prepare to endure tribulations.
DIVINECODERS
I was curious as to your take on the “trail” of the blood being 5 feet wide and 200 miles long.
I took the “by the space of” to be in any direction from without the city wall for a space of 200 miles. So, more like from the wall to 200 square miles.
So, let us break the 200 down into a length and width by using factors. I am going to choose 4×50 because it’s simpler, but any factors would give you the same answer.
So, converted into feet, multiplying the feet by the 2 centimeters (which makes sense for the accumulation possible on level ground) and the 7.5 for the water volume in a cubic foot, you get 2736619930 gallons.
I am going to use 11 pints of blood per person because 1.) men usually have 10-12 and women usually have 8-10 so I feel 11 is a happy medium, and 2.) with the metaphor of the wine press I just imagine every last drop being wrung out of them. So, 1.375 gallons is a person.
By those calculations, the number of people dying would be 1,990,269,040. That’s almost 2 billion people.
And if you use the original 0.37 gallons of blood in the equation it adds up to 7,396,270,081 people. There aren’t currently that many people on the planet yet, but in a few years there will be.
Hi Khrys,
Your guess is as good as ours and if the more accurate number is actually in the billions, then even better -we’ll take it.
However, keep in mind…
Revelation 20:15:
One cannot logically cast a human soul into the Lake of Fire without a human soul to cast, therefore, not everyone on the planet will be saved…
Matthew 7:21-23:
…nor will every professing “Christian”.
Furthermore, not every true Christian will be martyred…
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Thus, it is really not much of a surprise that only a relatively small number of people will die in the name of Jesus Christ -relative to the total population of earth.
We like that you are looking for ways to increase the value.
DIVINECODERS
You say this is an approximation of the number of believers (followers of Christ). I am still struggling with what I read in 1 Thessalonians 5:9 “For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.” (NIV)
The reason this is a struggle is that verse 19 says this is “the great winepress of the wrath of God.”
Any Thoughts?
Hi David,
Good question. The keyword here is “of”, as in “of the wrath of God” as opposed to “is”, as in “is the wrath of God”. Note that the winepress is filled with the blood of God’s saints and it is spilling out upon the earth. Therefore, quite possibly the blood of the saints IS the wrath of God which is poured out upon the earth as a curse.
Hope this helps!
DIVINECODERS
To DIVINECODERS,
It’s good that you took the initiative and made the effort to post the math but, I’ve got some questions for you.
Q#1: Where in the scripture is “5 feet wide” written?
Q#2: Where in the scripture is “2 centimeters” written?
Q#3: Where did you get “7.5” in your math?
Q#5 Where did you get “0.37 gallon (5.92 cups)”?
If you could answer me these questions then that would be appreciated.
Also, it would be nice if you could adjust your post to incorporate where you got these numbers from so it would make your post more specific with where you got the numbers from.
Hi Steve,
These are all extremely fair questions and it will be our pleasure to answer them for you.
Q#1 and Q#2 can be answered by quoting our article:
We made them up, because the Bible does not tell us these details. We could have said that the trail would be 10 feet by 6 inches deep, but this would require a lot more blood, thus we are presented with a problem -there is not an infinite amount of people on this planet and not everyone is supposed to die. The imagery the Bible provides is that of a box filled with blood that is being transported out of a city by horse. As the horse is running down the street, the blood spills out for 200 miles. We think 5 feet by 2 centimeters is realistic, but we could be wrong, which is why we made the point to state that this was “only an estimate.”
Q#3, Where did we get 7.5?
We start by calculating the volume of blood (i.e. L*W*A), then we convert that value to gallons by multiplying by 7.5.
Q#5, Where did we get 0.37 gallons (5.92 cups)?
This comes from what we wrote about in our article, thus:
Therefore, 9 pints is equal to 1.125 gallons, 33% of 1.125 gallons is equal to 0.37 gallons, which is equivalent to 5.92 cups.
Hope this helps.
DIVINECODERS
This must be a new way of killing people and blood still flowing after death? It amazes me how the apostate’s intent the scriptures
Hi j844,
Really? Get out your Bible and turn to Revelation 20, verse 4, and read:
Then, get back to us with your apology…
DIVINECODERS
This is a pretty good post, considering I don’t understand some of these passages. I know it is symbolic and that the evil one is suppose to murder Christians, but I don’t understand why it would be worded this way which sounds like the angels would murder. Could it be possible to mean the opposite- that this many anti-Christians would be murdered by being sent to hell?
Hi Eric,
Nice observation! Many should wonder, but our answer is in Matthew 13:24-30:
Therefore, the angels are coming to harvest the earth. This is why Rev 14:17-20 speaks about the sickle and gathering of the vine (i.e. God’s children).
The evil that will be put on us is the will of God. It’s your choice, you can view it as a horrible thing or you can view it as a gift. We see it as a gift, because He has selected us as good fruit and gathered us to preserve us from the second death, but the others left alive will die twice -once on earth and the second time in the Lake of Fire.
No one goes to Hell to die (Revelation 20:13):
Thus, those in Hell will be delivered up for Judgment. They will die in the Lake of Fire, as we point out in our article, Hell: The truth About Eternity
This is our Rapture. This is how we avoid the Wrath of God.
DIVINECODERS
Awesome! thanks